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Seed cycling is a hot topic, a menstrual bio-hacking practice that’s existed for aeons and handed down as women’s wisdom, but not until recently have the many benefits and healing potential of seed cycling been evidenced through scientific research, Backing up what we’ve known works for a long time.

I’m chatting with the founder of Aussie family business The Seed Cycle all about this menstrual health practice that gets to the root cause of hormone imbalances, to learn more about exactly how it works and what it can do for us. 

tune in to hear:

We covered:

  1. What is seed cycling, how it works, and what the benefits are,
  2. How seed cycling supports hormones to be in balance, treating the root cause of menstrual cycle symptoms,
  3. How seed cycling can support you at every stage of your menstrual cycle and menstrual cycling years, whether puberty, coming off the Pill, having irregular or painful cycles, PCOS and endometriosis, fertility and pregnancy, and peri-menopause.
  4. Sharing seed cycling with your child to help them love their cycle, see food as medicine and balance their hormones during puberty,
  5. Mel’s story of supporting women to improve their hormone health through taking food as medicine in her functional nutrition and EFT work, and when she starting teaching her clients to daily seed cycle, client results really began to stack up.
  6. And how seed cycling supports your cyclical living practice beyond menstrual health, so you remember to embrace times of doing and rest, so you nourish and nurture yourself and love all sides of who you are. 

Meet Mel from The Seed Cycle

Mel Kovacevic, founder of The Seed Cycle is a Functional Nutrition and EFT Practitioner. With her expertise in functional nutrition, intuitive eating practices, and EFT Tapping, Mel has helped hundreds of women restore hormone balance using food as medicine, a subject about which she is deeply passionate. Mel’s dedication to empowering women to reach their full potential is reflected in The Seed Cycle, which provides a done-for-you seed cycling solution delivered to customers’ doorsteps every month. With the support and encouragement of her family, The Seed Cycle has flourished.

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[00:00] Mel: This functional nutrition approach is based on the philosophy of vitalism, and that is that our bodies have an innate intelligence and given the right tools, resources, we can heal, adapt and thrive. So, seed cycling. It’s described as biohacking your menstrual cycle. The concept behind seed cycling is that there’s four key seeds and you have these seeds at specific times in your cycle, in your dominant cycle. So that might be for you menstrual cycle, that might be for you using the moon phases. These particular seeds that we’re using have nutrients, vitamins, essential fatty acids that support the production of oestrogen and progesterone, and support your body to balance those hormones out. When we talk about seed cycling being a way to balance your hormones as a hormone modulation practice, that’s exactly what it’s doing. It’s supporting your body to produce and eliminate these two key female sex hormones.

[00:57] Charlotte: Welcome to the Wild Flow podcast with me, Charlotte Pointeaux, an award winning menstrual cycle coach and priestess and the founder of First Moon Circled School. I guide women to honour and embrace their sacred cycles in their life, leadership and business. Let’s say hi to more ease and flow by co creating with your body and goodbye to struggle and burnout. This podcast features soul enriching conversations inspiring you to love your cycle, lead as a sacred leader, and grow a life and business that serves you by harnessing cyclical life and business practices. Join me and other changemakers, thought leaders and wise women to embrace and embody your Wild Flow.

In this episode of Wild Flow we’re chatting all things seed cycling. So we’re talking about:

–       What seed cycling is, how it works and what the benefits are, and how seed cycling supports hormones to be in balance and treat the root cause of menstrual cycle symptoms.

–       We’re talking how seed cycling can support you at every stage of your menstrual cycle and menstrual cycling years, whether in puberty for children coming off the pill, having irregular or painful cycles, PCOs or endometriosis, fertility and pregnancy journey and perimenopause.

–       We’re talking about how to share seed cycling with your child to help them love their cycle and see food as medicine and balance their hormones during puberty. So setting that foundation right from the start.

–       And we’re talking about my guest Mel’s story of supporting women to improve their hormone health through taking food as medicine, and how Mel was sharing through her functional nutrition and eFt work with women. But it wasn’t until she started to include seed cycling in her client’s daily practice, that client results really began to stack up.

Let me introduce you to Mel from the seed cycle. My guest, Mel Kovacevic is the founder of the seed cycle, a functional nutrition and eft practitioner. With her expertise in functional nutrition, intuitive eating practices and eft tapping, Mel has helped hundreds of women restore hormone balance using food as medicine, a subject about which she is deeply passionate. Mel’s dedication to empowering women to reach their full potential is reflected in the seed cycle, which provides a done for use seed cycling solution delivered to customers’ doorsteps every month. And with the support and encouragement of her family, particularly her husband, the seed cycle has flourished. I’ve been trying the seed cycle mix from Mel and have found it really easy to just add to foods. It’s delicious, it’s organic and the work of getting the right seeds and grinding them down has been done. And so I’m really pleased to talk to Mel about seed cycling and the research that backs up the women’s wisdom that we have always known about how this works. Grab a cuppa and tune in to this week’s episode of Wild Flow. Hi Mel, welcome to Wild Flow Podcast. How are you today?

[04:01] Mel: Hey, Charlotte, I’m good, thank you. Thank you for having me.

[04:05] Charlotte: Oh, thanks for being here. I’m really looking forward to diving into seed cycling and hearing all about you and your story and your work. So thank you for being here. Let’s begin, as always, with a cycle check in so we can see where we’re both at. And I’ll go first. So for me, I’m on cycle day 16, so I’m ovulating right now. I can feel it all in my body. I’m feeling really alive and juicy and sensual energy there and just feeling really kind of like I haven’t been sleeping as well. The last few, probably for the last, I reckon, always between sort of my inner spring to inner summer, I don’t sleep as well. I sleep less. And I have been having crazy, crazy dreams for the entire of this menstrual cycle so far and so feel like I’ve been waking up quite a lot and waking up kind of like what was going on. And so, yeah, just noticing that I’ve got this higher energy in me and I’m kind of wanting to use it up more and so I’m feeling chatty and bubbly today.

[05:19] Mel: I love it. Perfect face to record a podcast, right? It’s my favourite. And you’re ovulating with a full moon. How special is that, yeah.

[05:28] Charlotte: It’s so interesting because I started bleeding on the new moon, and my cycle has generally followed the moon for the last few years since I’ve got three children, and I breastfed them and my youngest didn’t want to give that up. And so I didn’t get my period back for, it was probably about two years, I think, when she was about two, and then she breastfed for another year on that. So my cycle was irregular for a while. But once she stopped feeding and my cycle became regular, it just lined up with the moon by itself, which was curious. And then I’ve had a few things where I got sick and so my cycle was longer because my ovulation was delayed. And then the next cycle, it kind of bounced back again. So it’s just kept this rhythm, which is just really curious. I just keep noticing it. And so I do feel like the moon really exacerbates my cycle energy because when it’s new moon and I’m bleeding, I’m really tired, really don’t want to speak to anyone and really just need like a full reset. And it takes me days to come out of this cocoon. It’s not something that I bounce back from quickly. And then at the full moon, it’s like ahhhh!

[06:48] Mel: Extra sparkly.

[06:51] Charlotte: Extra sparkly, yeah. So it’s full moon today as we are recording this, and it’s an eclipse as well. So that’s where I’m at in my cycle. And how about you? Would you like to share if you have a cycle where you’re at, what that feels like for you?

[07:08] Mel: Yes, I would love to. And I love that you ask your podcast guests this. I ask this during my workshops and my talks and just normalizing having this conversation because I often get looks and people kind of be like, why do you want me to share this? But it’s such a beautiful conversation to have. So I am on about day 20, so I have ovulated. I’m going, I’m in my Luteal phase now. And for me, I can feel the energy shift. I can feel myself go from that follicular phase where it’s like a lot of do energy and getting stuff done for ovulation where I just feel very sparkly and like you were saying, wanting to chat and articulate and social. And now I can feel the change of needing to take more for myself. And I was just looking at my schedule and I have a lot of podcasts this week, so I’ll have to manage that with, in between doing a lot more for myself and for me, it’s making sure I get out into the sunlight, getting out in nature. So I know what I need to do to support myself during this space, which is brilliant, because before I knew all this, it was just like it would create a lot of self-doubt and negativity and I would be like, oh, well, it’s just because I’m not articulate all the things that are wrong with me, especially when I’m doing speaking and podcasts in my second half of my cycle. But now I know it’s just because it’s the phase that I’m in and different energy and I have different requirements.

[08:51] Charlotte: Oh my gosh, I just love hearing that so much. That is exactly such a beautiful example of what this reclamation of our cycle can give us. You’ve just summed that up and articulated that so well. And I always say it’s not about perfectly cycles, thinking life. So I’m in this phase of my cycle. I’m simply not doing those tasks now. It’s like, well, often life necessitates that we do. So what do we do around it to support ourselves and buffer that and give us the balance. And you’ve just described what really works for you, and so that it might not be the time when you feel like you’re most naturally at ease doing those particular things, but absolutely possible. And how beautiful to bring forth that different side of you rather than only ever projecting, sharing, portraying one part of you like the acceptable part. Like this is about loving all of ourselves.

[09:50] Mel: Yes, that’s exactly where I have sort of gotten to now is before it was, especially when I started learning about my cycle, because unfortunately it’s not something I was taught. I had to be 35 plus until I learned this, but I was trying to do it perfectly. And scheduling in my ovulation phase, and I’m not going to schedule anything now. And then I realized, well, I want to show all of myself. And I don’t mind that there’s a difference in how I speak. And it doesn’t mean that the podcast that I did today or in my deep premenstrual phase is any worse than the one that I did when I was sparkly and bright in my ovulation phase. It’s just different.

[10:38] Charlotte: Exactly. And so many gifts and gold in that, because we see things differently and we express things differently. And I just love hearing, even when I do this podcast, it depends on where I’m at. A different part of me comes through and I just love it. So I encourage that so much. And thank you for that example of how you do that in your life and your business, because I think the more of us that can do that, we just let you say, normalize it and embrace it. Awesome. Right, so we’re here to talk seed cycling. I want to just ask you, first of all, for an overview. What is seed cycling about and what are the benefits before we go into the depths of it and your story and all of that, just what is seed cycling for anyone who’s not heard of it and what are the benefits?

[11:36] Mel: Yes, so, seed cycling, it’s described as biohacking your menstrual cycle, which makes it sound really cool, and it is cool, but the way it works is the concept behind seed cycling is that there’s four key seeds and you have these seeds at specific times in your cycle, in your dominant cycle. So that might be for you, a menstrual cycle, that might be for you using the moon phases. And the concept is that these particular seeds that we’re using have nutrients, vitamins, essential fatty acids that support the production of oestrogen and progesterone and support your body to balance those hormones out. And when we talk about seed cycling being a way to balance your hormones as a hormone modulation practice, that’s exactly what it’s doing. It’s supporting your body to produce and eliminate these two key female sex hormones. It also has a lot of other benefits in terms of the fibres in the seeds, all those other beautiful nutrients. But in terms of the practice of seed cycling, this is what we are doing. We are trying to support a regular menstrual cycle. We’re trying to support healthy, balanced hormones.

[12:50] Charlotte: Amazing. I just think that it’s such a curious and interesting and impactful practice. So, yeah, I’m really happy to be having this chat with you, to hear all about it and share. And first of all, I just really want to ask you from there, why seed cycling for you personally, how did you discover this for yourself? And why have you made this your business and your life?

[13:19] Mel: It’s a bit of a story and I would love to share. So, my background’s in functional nutrition and I’m also an EFT tapping practitioner. So EFT stands for emotional freedom techniques. And so I’m based in Canberra and I had a clinic called functional health Canberra and I was working with women and men, predominantly women, to support them, to heal their relationship with food and their bodies and using this functional nutrition approach, which. So functional nutrition is based on the philosophy of vitalism and that is that our bodies have an innate intelligence, and given the right tools, resources, we can heal, adapt and thrive. And this is what I taught for years. When I look back and I thought I had it in a little, I had this holistic approach, and we were tackling all angles in terms of functional nutrition and real foods and mindful eating and health, which was really trendy back then. So I was all about the microbiome, and then I was using EFT tapping to help my clients get to the core beliefs around food and their bodies, because I knew I can give you the best meal plan, but if underlying, you have a core belief of I need to be skinny to be loved, which was my case, or I’m lazy, or food is the enemy, we weren’t going to get anywhere. So I was doing this, and for a while it was working really well. But when I was listening to my clients, I kept seeing this commonality of symptoms. And so they would say things to me like, oh, Mel, I was doing really well, and I’ve been doing the mindful eating, and we’ve been doing the tapping, and I’ve been making good choices. But then, right before I got my period, everything went to ****. The cravings, the anxiety. And then I was painful.

And I had other clients who were having hormonal acne breakouts. I had another client who was on the pill, but didn’t want to be anymore and didn’t feel like it aligned with this new way that she was living. I had clients with perimenopause symptoms, and I guess for me as well, for my clients, I wanted them to not just be, if the goal was weight loss, yeah, okay. We wanted the weight to come off, but I wanted them to feel vibrant. I wanted them to be healthy. I wanted them to be feeling their best and living their best lives. So even though we were moving the needle a little bit, it was not my standard. So this is what made me go, there’s a hormone imbalance, and if we don’t support their hormones, we’re not going to get to the goal, and we’re not really triggering the root cause. And that’s also functional. Nutrition is very much an EFT, is about getting to the root cause of the symptoms. And so that’s where I started researching and my thought process.

Because I’m such a believer in food as medicine, my thought process was, there’s got to be some foods we can add in to support their hormones. And so I started going down rabbit holes, and I came across seed cycling. And the first article I read was by Dr. Jolene Brighton. So she’s a hormone doctor in the US. I’m sure many of you know her. And she was talking about seed cycling and how she prescribed seed cycling to her patients as a protocol to help them get off the pill, because I had that client who wanted to get off the pill to help them support oestrogen progesterone production. She had quite a lot of research there as well on the individual seeds.

Then I came across Steph Lowe, who’s a natural nutritionist here in Australia, and she was talking about how she uses it in her clinic. Then I came across Elisa Viti and read in the flow, and she talks about seed cycling, and it was just like, oh, my goodness, there’s something to this. And the more I read, it just ticked off all the boxes. It’s an intuitive practice. It’s using food as medicine. You’re adding something in that’s going to help. And so this was one of a big fundamental for me is in a world where diet, culture and nutrition is all about counting calories and deficits and what. Can’t have dairy, can’t have gluten, can’t have this, can’t have that. And then that puts you into scarcity when you focus on what can I have that is going to support my health? And seed cycling is just the most beautiful example of that.

And so I tested it out on my sister in law because she had just gotten off the pill and her period hadn’t returned. She was having horrible hormonal acne breakouts around her chin. And within a couple of months, her period returned, her skin cleared up, and we were both like, that was cool. And then from there, it was a tool that I use with my clients and pretty much any female that I work with, I would teach them how to seed cycle. And honestly, for a couple of years, I didn’t really think too much more about it. It was just ticking off that box and everything was back on track, and we were moving the needle and I just knew it was great. And for so many of my clients, it was that missing puzzle piece.

And at that time, I would teach them, buy these four seeds, which we can go into. We got to make sure they’re certified organic. And this is why we’re going to grind them up, because this is what the protocol is in terms of what we’re looking at with the studies and Dr. Brighton and all these other experts using it. And so your body can absorb the nutrients inside the seeds, and this is when you take it and then that’s when we started to talk about understanding your cycle. And for me, it was like, then I understood why for myself as well. I started learning about my cycle. So for a lot of my clients, and for me, seed cycling was the end to body literacy and understanding my own cycle.

And then I hit another roadblock where I had a couple of clients who would come back every session, and again, things weren’t really where I wanted them to be. And I would say, have you done seed cycling? And they’re like, Mel, it’s all too hard. What seeds are they again, I have to buy them. Like, I keep forgetting every time I’m in the supermarket, why do I have to grind them up? I don’t have a coffee grinder at home. So I said, well, what if I do it for you? I’ll grind them up, I’ll package them up, I’ll deliver them to you, and then that way you just add it to your breakfast or your lunch like we spoke about. And they’re like, yeah, that would be so helpful. So that’s what I started doing. And I ended up to the point where it was like, I had like 15 kilo bags of certified organic seeds delivered to the house. I had a production line, three nutribullets going.

And from there, it was actually my husband who got involved and said, what are you up to? Why do we have so many seeds delivered every day to the house? And so I explained to him about seed cycling and what I was doing for my clients, and he went away and did some research and he came back to me and said, there are thousands of people searching seed cycling on Google. I said, yeah, I know, it’s incredible. It’s such a good practice. And he said, but there’s no one in Australia doing what you’re doing in terms of, like, a done for you solution. And I didn’t even know at that stage that that’s what I was doing. And he said, I think we should start another business. I’ll invest, I’ll help you out. Let’s do this properly from the start. Let’s do it together. And that was two and a half, almost three years ago. And from there, it was just been a wild ride, but so exciting. And I saw seed cycling work on a small scale with my clients, but now working and speaking to thousands of women, it’s just like what I saw with my clients. It’s that missing puzzle piece for so many or that way in, to understanding their cycles, to support, to using food as medicine, to supporting their cycles. In a different way.

[21:23] Charlotte: Wow, what an incredible story. I just love hearing that. And thank you for sharing it, because it’s so important for us to understand these stories because then we obviously get the sense of why it matters and why you chose it and how it’s really supported you. And I love the story about your sister-in-law. Just think that’s incredible. And I know that you’ve got so many other stories like that, too. So it’s really awesome that you followed that nudge and really responded to the way that your clients said that. It’s really hard to incorporate because in this life, we are. We’re busy. It’s like being busy is just no longer an excuse because everyone is at that kind of level. And so trying to unpeel and unpack that and find ways to bring more space and health into our lives and to create, like, a ritual around that, I find, like, we can talk about how we have our seeds later on, but to make it easy for people to get the right quality, the right seeds, to make it easy for them to just include, it’s the next step. It’s a no brainer. So now here you are, and you’ve got this range of products and education that you’re providing through the seed cycle. I really admire what you’ve created and what you’re doing because I agree there’s such a buzz around this, and it’s not just a fad, it’s rooted in research and evidence as well, isn’t it? So I’d really like to ask you about that, just to share more about what the seeds are and how they’re really supporting those hormones. And you spoke about imbalances as well. Just, yeah, a bit more detail on that. Would you mind sharing?

[23:18] Mel: So the four seeds, I’ll always say to people, you probably already have them in your pantry. A black seed and pumpkin seed. And this is what we’re having in the first half of our cycle, or from a new moon and sesame and sunflower, which is in the second base. So really simple.

Sometimes a block for people is how simple it is. And this is where I go back to nature, and nature knows and our bodies recognize the nutrients. And something that I’m really proud of is that, yes, we’ve made it simpler, but I’m still getting people to the product still requires you to get into your kitchen to cook meals for yourself, and that’s really important. And like you said, we’re busy. It might not be every day, but cooking nourishing meals for yourself for your loved ones is really a fundamental, and it’s important. And I think life gets so busy and we rely so much on convenience and takeaway. And I see for myself there’s a softness of being in the kitchen, of preparing food, of creating meals. And so this is where I just love seed cycling in terms of and our products, because you are incorporating it in with your meals, or you can make recipes out of them. We have bake mixes as well. And so it’s an eggs and oil kind of quick, but it’s still in the kitchen, you’re still baking, and you can get as creative as you like with it in terms of, for the brownies. So we got brownies for phase one, so you can add, like, nuts or I love to add raspberries in it. So you’re making like a raspberry brownie. And then for the phase two, we’ve got biscuits. And you can do all sorts of things with adding, whether it’s sultanas or chocolate chips or to make it fun, because it should be fun and you should be being creative.

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[26:04] Mel: So that’s the seeds in terms of the science as well. And so this is part of it that I am just so excited to see what’s next, but also really excited to share what we have already and to have research is actually pretty unbelievable considered that women’s hormone health and women’s health in general is very under researched. So in terms of the individual seeds, and we have a page on the website called Science and research, and we’re constantly updating this. But flaxseed is the most well researched seed. Seed, and the research tells us that it supports oestrogen production and elimination because of the lignins or the phytoestrogens that are in the seeds. And so phytoestrogens, I like to explain it, as in we have oestrogen receptor cells all over our bodies, and when we’re having that lignin and all that phytoestrogen, it acts like a plug, and it plugs into our oestrogen receptor and tells that receptor what to do. So they might be block that production of oestrogen or create more, depending on what your body needs.

We also know that in the seeds, there’s omega three s, there’s zinc, there’s magnesium. Sunflower seeds are a really great source of vitamin E. And this is why I think women say to me within the first month, they notice my skin feels so bright, it’s glowy. I’m noticing that I’m not having as many breakouts, the fibres as well. Women will say, oh, I feel like I’m going to the bathroom more regularly. I don’t feel as bloated.

And then in terms of a study, so that’s the individual seeds that are studied. In terms of seed cycling, there’s two research papers. There was one that was conducted in 2019 for seed cycling for PCOs, and one that was conducted last year. So 2023. And the 2023 study is really strong. There’s some really great things about it, including that there was no external funding given, so that’s a tick for us. This was for seed cycling for PCOS as well. And there was 90 women. There was three groups. There was a seed cycle, and it was done over three months. There was a seed cycling group, a metformin group. So metformin is a drug usually used to treat PCOS symptoms. There are a lot of side effects and then control group, and they also had ultrasound images before and after, so that was great to see. And they found there was a 36% reduction in cyst degeneration for the seed cycling group, which is huge. The results were better for the seed cycling group than the metformin group. We list all the other benefits that the study showed us, but this is now, since that study came out, we’ve had doctors contact us. It’s really giving the practice credibility, because before then, it was really rooted in ancient practices and Chinese medicine. Besides from the anecdotal and client and naturopaths and nutritionists and functional medicine, doctors have used the practice for years. Not a lot of tangible research done, but now we’ve got this, I have heard there’s more coming, particularly I’ve heard there’s a seed cycling for endometriosis symptoms coming. So very interested to hear about that.

But as a company, we also do our own case studies because we’re, like, waiting for the researchers. Who knows how long we’re going to be waiting for? So we work with naturopaths and nutritionists and we do case studies with them. So if anyone wants to see that as well, you can see the case studies that we’re doing and it’s really exciting to see what our customers are telling us written coming out through these studies.

[30:29] Charlotte: Incredible. Thank you for sharing that. What a powerful result. And in just three months as well, a 36, did you say percent reduction? That’s phenomenal. I think that’s amazing. And that, like you say, I think that some people, even though we believe in women’s wisdom, some people do really believe in or need to have that tangible evidence to sort of give that credibility to some of these practices, even though we know it and we see it and we feel it and we have to trust ourselves and that wisdom as well.

[31:08] Mel: We say this all the time. Seed cycling is an in combination tool and this is what functional nutrition is. And really, there’s never just one thing that’s going to be that magic bullet. It might be that missing puzzle piece, but particularly, we’ve seen just the most incredible results for seed cycling, for fertility. And we share a lot of that on our socials. And I get goosebumps thinking about it. But I would get messages with positive pregnancy tests and ultrasounds and emails, and it makes sense, because when you’re supporting a regular cycle supporting a healthy ovulation, then you’re supporting fertility. But I would never want someone to start seed cycling and put off going to a doctor or a specialist for fertility or not taking a medication that might have been or protocol that might have been prescribed from a specialist. Do it all, whatever feels right for you. But that’s something that sometimes we think that I’ll have people say to me, oh, I started seeing acupuncturists and they gave me these herbs, but then I’ve come across seed cycling, so I think I’ll stop those herbs and start seed cycling. So then I know what’s worked and it’s like, no, do both. We think very black and white and like, oh, I need to know what’s worked. So I’m just going to do the one thing, but most probably it’s going to be that combination that’s going to give me the best results.

[32:38] Charlotte: Yeah, that’s such a good point. Thanks for saying that. I think when we do try these things, we are invested in our health and well being, and so our whole lifestyle can change. And the way that we eat better in general, when we’re focused on adding the right supplements or the seeds, or we might then go, well, I make a choice to have less sugar or coffee or whatever. And that collective result. And then what you were saying as well before about the mindset piece when you were doing the EFT work, that’s such an important part because our bodies do respond to our thoughts. We are our thoughts. And so if we are taking care of ourselves and bringing in these rituals, like for me, I’ve been putting the seeds on my breakfast every morning, and I have maca cow instead of coffee, and I have oats and I have it packed full of chia and cinnamon and like a magnesium protein powder. And so I’ve been adding on the seeds as well. And it’s just like you say, instead of going, well, I’m not going to have that, I’m going to have this. For me, it’s like this just really beautiful breakfast where I have my morning ritual and I set myself up and then I know I’ve eaten well, and then I’m not hungry till at least midday. Whereas normally I used to be, before I would have this kind of breakfast, I’d be like reaching for the next food by 1030. So I feel like I’ve eaten really well. I know I’ve nourishing my body, I’ve had enough protein, my body feels energized and well fed, and I feel clear. And then I can get on with my day and I just feel good about myself. And then when you feel good about yourself, you make other choices to take good care of yourself too. And I do think that that is part of it. So do you have any particular rituals that you have about your seeds, like to hear?

[34:44] Mel: Well, I love so many different ways, but definitely for me, having them as part of a healthy snack, I just find that so beautiful. So I’ll have usually in the afternoon tea or even morning tea if I’m feeling like I want something sweet, I’ll have my biscuit and my brownie, or my brownie, depending on what phase I’m in, and usually have it with a cup of tea. And I practice the mindful eating when I’m enjoying it. So it’s just such a beautiful experience. And particularly because for me, the reason I started studying nutrition was because I was really struggling with overeating. I was just on the diet binge cycle, and food was just evil. And basically I was always just trying not to eat, and then it would go the other way. So learning about nutrition, but also using food as medicine and using food as a way of nourishing, rather than all that restricting, and that every time I do that, it reminds me of how far I’ve come. And food is not the enemy. It’s a way that I can nourish myself that’s really important for me. And allowing, and I think what you said as well, around the mindset side of things, it’s so important. And I love that seed cycling, even on an unconscious level, is helping your relationship with food, because it is that example of adding something in that is going to nourish you and heal you.

[36:22] Charlotte: Yeah. That point that you made about adding in rather than taking away, I think is so important. As women, we need to really have those healthy relationships to our body, and that’s something that for so many of us, we just haven’t had. And so bringing in this real mindfulness around eating and adding in these little touches that are medicinal and supporting us, and when we’re looking at adding to support our hormone health, obviously, like you said, there’s so many ways that this can support, whether it’s regulating your cycle coming off the pill. You mentioned PCAs and endometriosis support coming out, fertility, just so many ways that it’s supporting us, that underlying hormonal health of those reproductive hormones goes beyond just trying to conceive or having even regular cycles. It’s our overall whole well-being as well. So, yeah, I just really see the value in this. And it’s something that we talk about in the first moon circle facilitates training as well. Where I’m teaching practitioners to do menstrual education for children, and we bring in this concept of seed cycling for the food that we create and host in our circles, where the children come and the mums come, and just really teaching those girls that they’re in puberty, like, nine out of ten children haven’t started their period yet, it’s still to come, but just sharing with them this idea that they have a choice around the food that they take and what they put in their body, and that they have the power to heal themselves and support themselves right from the very beginning, rather than feeling like they’re at the mercy of their body and their hormones, we can help them to come into hormonal balance right from the start and help their cycles regulate and not have some of those symptoms that many people have in those teen years because they might not be looking after themselves, because they simply don’t know how to and haven’t been taught. And I love sharing that with the mums as well as the mums are kind of going, oh, I didn’t know this. If only I’d have known. And then they can help themselves and their child. And so, yeah, that’s something that we talk about and we bring into the training as well. And so lots of our facilitators are really embracing this concept as well and seeing the value and sharing it with children.

[39:07] Mel: Important. I think this is so important. And for me, what I see happening is girls, they struggle, they don’t understand their cycles. They start to struggle with, whether it’s acne or irregular periods or healthy or heavy periods, and then they get taken to the GP and then the GP puts them on the pill, and then that stops that maturing of that cycle, and then they stay on it for years and years and years, and then they try to get off, and then they’re hormonally as mature as the 13, 14, 15 year old, 16 year old that was put on the pill. And then they’re having to go through that process and it’s so terrible. I work with so many women trying to get off the Pill at 30 and it’s just such a struggle. And this is when I often get mums coming to me who are seed cycling and they’ll have this click moment and they’re like, oh, my God, can I get my daughter onto this? And I’m like, yes. What a beautiful introduction to food as medicine, to understanding their cycle, to supporting their cycle. And hopefully this means that we can support them to have a regular cycle, which then will stop that being put on the pill for regulating their cycle. Contraception is obviously different, but so many are put on it for regulating. And what we know now is it doesn’t regulate your cycle. The pill just shuts down those hormones, it shuts down ovulation, it shuts down progesterone production, which are really important hormones. And then it takes time for your body to remember that brain ovaries connect, to have that brain ovaries connection and to have that regular cycle come back on board. So I love the work that you do in teaching this. And I don’t know how many days a day I’ll say, like, I wish I learnt this in school, I wish I learnt this when I was younger because I think about a lot of.

And even just as I was going through healing my own journey, healing my own relationship with food and my body, I realized, and I hear this now with women as well. It was like, I want to be confident and I want to love myself, but I hate having a period. And it’s like, well, no, if I really, truly want to love myself, I need to love all of myself. And this is where I think also the pill comes into it and it’s like, oh, well, then I can just skip my period and I don’t need to have it. And then that problem solved. Whereas now it’s just a new level of self love and confidence and acceptance. Because I truly do love all of myself. And I love having a menstrual cycle. And I love the different phases though.

Yes, like we’re talking about in the beginning, challenging at times. It’s so special. And when we understand it, we can work with it. Like when I’m in my follicular phase and I know that I’m in this energy, I get so much done and I love it. And then when I’m in my menstrual phase, I’m so creative and I know that now. And even just exercise. My goodness. Like when I think about how I used to just smash myself at the gym and then it get to my premenstrual phase and I would think that I couldn’t get myself there and then I would be like, beat myself up. I’m lazy. It’s because I haven’t been training enough. It’s because all these things and now I just know, well, this is the phase that I’m in my cycle and I need a different type of movement in this phase.

[42:51] Charlotte: Exactly. Totally. Just love everything you said in there. And the thing I’m just really going to pull out of that is like just, we can’t love ourselves unless we love our periods and our cycle because it is part of us. It’s our fundamental rhythm of how we are meant to be. And yes, of course, for some people, having a cycle can bring all kinds of pain and problems and some of that can be really severe. But when we can look at these signs and symptoms that our bodies are screaming at us and question, okay, what’s going on there? What do I need to look at? And often people don’t get the help that they need when they go to the medical professionals. Like you were saying, there’s these natural protocols and products and it’s all there in nature and the clues are there and it can support us, it can support our healing, it can support that balancing and it can support us then, to love who we are and our cycles and our fundamental nature.

So I’m all for it and just so glad to have found you and your work and your beautiful products. So if people want to find out more, you’ve got all kinds going on on your website. So you’ve got, obviously, your products. You’ve got beautiful products for the different phases and different ways to like your brownies and your biscuits, as well as the seeds that you can buy that are pre ground and they come in beautiful canisters. And mine are on my benchtop and they look lovely and it makes it just easy because I can remember that they’re there and go, oh, yeah, put them on my food. But you’ve also got loads of education as well for people who want to find out more. And science and research page. Yeah, you’ve got loads going on. It’s such a great hub.

[44:49] Mel: Thank you. And recipes. I never want someone to stop seed cycling because they got bored. I’m going to show you so many ways you can see cycle. So we have so many beautiful recipes. I’ve even got a cyclical cookbook on there. I have a free downloadable seed cycle tracker. So this isn’t to replace your menstrual cycle tracking. This is just a little tick off to say, I’ve had my seeds this today. And we’ve also on there, we have space for the moon cycles as well. So that’s what I’d love to actually explain that.

So a lot of women will say to me, oh, well, I don’t have a regular cycle, or I’m going through perimenopause, or I’ve had a hysterectomy, or I’m on the pill. How do I seed cycle? And so this is where we use the moon phases. And so what I’ll explain to women is that if you have a regular cycle, then your menstrual cycle will be your dominant rhythm. But if your cycle is irregular, all those things that I mentioned, then your dominant rhythm will be the moon phases. And this might sound a bit, for some, I can see them kind of back away from me, like, oh, this is all a bit too much for mela, but I’ll explain that women throughout history have used the moon to support their. Support fertility, to regulate their cycles. And it’s no coincidence that the moon phases and our menstrual cycles are at the same length. And so what we’re doing, we use the moon phases to mimic a menstrual cycle. So they’ll have phase one from a new moon and phase two from a full moon and seed cycle that way.

[46:29] Charlotte: Awesome. I’m so glad you put that in there. And does that apply for pregnancy also?

[46:33] Mel: Yeah, yeah. It’s such a beautiful way to support your pregnancy. And in Australia, sesame seed was recently added to the medium risk for salmonella during pregnancy. And so this is why some women might hear that you shouldn’t have sesame seeds. And so that might be something that you want to speak to your doctor about what we do as a company, since this has come out, we test all our sesame seeds before we grind them. So we go through a third party and test for salmonella. Because I would never want. They’re just so nutritious and such a beautiful way to support pregnancy. I would never want someone to, particularly if seed cycling was part of your conception journey to stop. But that is the risk, the medium risk there that’s been put up. So we have that on our website and I will mention that.

[47:32] Charlotte: Yeah, thanks for speaking to that. I’m just curious then, if you’ve got a cycle, then you obviously take the different seeds in the different phases. But if you don’t have a cycle, say you’re like post menopause, or I guess you’re on the pill, maybe. I’m not sure if that counts. But if you’re pregnant, then do you still need to keep the phases or can you just have them all?

[47:57] Mel: I guess, yeah, I think it’s really important to keep, because what I’ll say is, just because you’re not having a bleed doesn’t mean you don’t cycle. And this is part of that ancient wisdom. There’s something so powerful in that cyclical rhythm, because people again will say to me, well, why can’t I just have all four seeds every day? And I’m like, yeah, we can. But a big part of seed cycling is the cyclical rhythm of it. And so particularly, like, post menopause, or women will say to me, I don’t have those hormones anymore. I don’t really need it. And I’ll introduce it to them in that way, and then I’ll start doing it and I’ll be like, oh, Mel, you’ve got me looking at the moon, and I just feel so grounded and I don’t know what it is. And my skin feels good, my digestion feels good. And there’s something about this whole cycling with the moon that has just got me in sync, can’t put words to it. And I’m like, oh, I love hearing that. Because that’s what it’s doing. It’s just helping us with that rhythm. And we’re all cyclical beings, totally.

[49:01] Charlotte: Oh, my gosh. Speaking my language. I’m so glad that was the answer, because I just think that I always say to people, if you don’t have a cycle, like an embodied menstrual cycle, for example, then live as if you do, because it has so many mental, emotional, spiritual, like you say, grounding like it’s good for our energy, just the way that we live, to treat everything as a cycle, rather than just being, like, perpetually go, go. Because when we do that, we’re not connected. We’re not aware, we’re not tapped into something bigger than us, and we don’t take the time for rest. And so if we live cyclically, we get the time and space for everything in its rightful.

[49:44] Mel: Think. I’ve seen there’s a couple other seed cycling companies in the US, and they haven’t brought the moon phases in. And I kind of get it because it’s just simpler if you just say, oh, no, just do it this way. But I’m like, just, my gut tells me there’s something really important, and now I’ve seen it. But even in the beginning, my gut was telling you, no, there’s something really important about this. We really need to keep this as part of the practice, even though it might be for some just a little bit much to get their head around in the beginning. And particularly for women who haven’t really heard about cyclical living or don’t really understand their cycle, like I didn’t in the beginning. So it can be a learning curve, but I’m here to do it and educate as much as I can and learn as much as I can, too.

[50:38] Charlotte: Oh, amazing. Yeah, I see the power in it all the time. So that’s amazing. Thank you so much for sharing, Mel. Is there anything else you’d like to add before we wrap?

[50:50] Mel: Oh, I’d just like to say thank you so much for having me and giving me the space to share seed cycling and my story and, yeah, thank you so much.

[51:02] Charlotte: Thank you so much. So people can find you. Then I mentioned your website. So it’s www.theseedcycycle.com.auAnd you do ship overseas as well, don’t you? Ship everywhere. And if anyone wants to get 15% off as well, Mel has kindly given me a code. It’s Charlotte 15, and you can pop that in at the checkout and get 15% off.

And you’re on Instagram as well. And that’s @the_seed_cycle.

Yeah, just can’t wait to hear about people loving taking your seeds and discovering seed cycling. And yeah, I’d love to hear from you. If you’re listening and you have been practicing seed cycling for a while or you’re new to this and curious, then drop us a DM, either of us, and just let us know on Instagram. It’d be great to hear from you, but thank you Mel. Take care.

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Charlotte Pointeaux

Charlotte Pointeaux is an Internationally Award-Winning triple-Certified Coach, Youth Mentor, Host of Wild Flow Podcast, a sought-after guest menstrual educator and speaker. She is a Shamanic Womancrafter, a Priestess of the Cycle Mysteries.

Charlotte’s work as a Wild Feminine Cycle Coach weaves together shamanic womb healing and rite of passage work with menstrual cycle awareness and feminine embodiment tools, to guide women through their transformational journey of reclaiming their wild feminine cyclic powers to expressing their big magick as a sacred leader.

Charlotte founded First Moon Circles®, a renowned facilitator training program, to train new menstrual educators to prepare, honour and celebrate children and their care-givers at menarche (their first period). To date, she has trained almost 100 facilitators across 5 continents and is on a mission to infuse families, friendships, classrooms and communities with period positivity and menstrually inclusive practices.

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